Feature of the Month . . .
Conversations with Peter C. Rogers, D.D., Ph.D.
![]() An Interview with Peter
What prompted you to call your first book; The Ultimate Truth?
I’m often asked by people what is the Ultimate Truth and how do I proclaim to know what that truth is? The first thing I point out to them is that the book is not called “The Ultimate Truth.” I intentionally left off “The” for the sole purpose of avoiding this debate. Unfortunately, it didn’t work. Literally, the word ultimate simply means the best or most extreme of its kind. Truth can be defined as a fundamental spiritual reality. Therefore in calling the book Ultimate Truth, I am basically saying that in reading it, you are exposing yourself to the best or most extreme fundamental and spiritual reality. You will find that there is no one ultimate truth for anyone. Therefore, we must each seek to find what our own truths may be. That then becomes your ultimate truth.
What kind of research went into writing this book?
In terms of the research, I would have to say it started some twenty years ago when I picked up the first book that sparked my awareness. From that point on, I’ve been on a quest to see just how far down the rabbit hole really goes. I’ve read countless books with each one leading me to the next piece of a vast and intricate puzzle of consciousness. I have discovered that once you become awakened, you can never seem to fully understand just how vast and amazing this experience really is. So I’ve continued to so research and throughout my twenty years of living and searching for the answers to my being, I was able to acquire a Doctorate in the process and it was there at the University of Metaphysical Sciences that I began the actual research for this book and the books that follow. Because I’d acquired so much information over the years through my meditation and voracious appetite for reading, it only took me about six months of writing three to four hours each day to complete the book.
Why do you think you enjoy reading material that deals with consciousness and spirituality so much?
I never really understood the purpose for why I enjoyed reading material that dealt with higher consciousness. I only know that there was something driving me to know more. Oftentimes in life we never truly understand the reasons behind our motivations. It’s not until later that we’re able to look back and see that everything serves a greater and a higher purpose even when that purpose is not evident to us. I wouldn’t just read books I would study them making detailed notes, highlighting the parts that resonate the strongest with me at that particular time in my development. So I wasn’t aware at the time that the research for a book was being done. It wasn’t until I was working on my Master Thesis and my Doctorate Dissertation that it became apparent and even then, I still didn’t realize that a book would follow.
In the first chapter of the book where you talk about God and different truths, you ask people to forget everything they’ve ever learned, can you explain what you’re trying to say here?
Well, I felt it necessary to begin by quoting Don Miguel Ruiz where he says; “I want you to forget everything you have ever learned in your whole life. This is the beginning of a new understanding, a new dream,” because this is something I had to personally do throughout my awakening process. Oftentimes it’s difficult for us to allow new information in because we’re so indoctrinated by other systems and different forms of belief that it’s difficult for us to grow beyond the confines of organized thought processes. Through enculturation, we seem to take on the consciousness of our parents, and our associates of whom probably never opened up to higher forms of teachings. I found that I was stuck so-to-speak in a pattern that only extended to my immediate circles. I had to break free of these debilitating beliefs and open myself up to other realities and thought forms. This is what I’m suggesting in this chapter. Although it sounds like a simple suggestion, I’m not naïve in the least bit and I know that a closed mind is practically the hardest thing to open especially when there seems to be a built-in barrier against change.
I also noticed how you like to use movies like The Matrix, or Star Wars to help illustrate your point. Do you find there to be a lot of truth in these types of movies?
I do. In fact, I use some of the analogies from the Matrix because it is a very enlightening and metaphysical journey within itself. I know there’s a lot of truth in what we consider science fiction as well as a little bit of fiction in what we consider truth and therefore movies have the ability to convey those truths in a cinematic way. I strongly believe that whatever the mind can conjure up, there has to be some truth to it, especially in a world of all possibilities which is where I live. When Neo remarks that his eyes hurt after his transformation, and Morpheus says it’s because he’s never used them, I immediately made the connection that what they are referring to is not a physical sight but rather the sight that comes from within. You could say that it comes from the spiritual eye or the third eye but actually it’s really just a matter of seeing with the heart and all the other aspects of your being other than the electrical impulses being sent to the brain in order to see. An example of this can be seen in the movie The Book of Eli where Denzel Washington is guided by a perfected ability to see through other means.
But why The Matrix, do you have some type of connection with this particular movie or is it all science fiction that you correlate with and how do you think others will perceive your analogies?
I believe the Matrix is by far the most enlightening and progressive movie I have ever seen and I can draw countless metaphysical metaphors and lessons from it. In the book I use a few of these examples when speaking of the names of the characters which all represent some form of change or higher symbolism as well as some of the more obvious lessons like the rabbit hole which can represent the dept of one’s own self or even the spiritual sight that Neo acquires after deciding to un-plug from the “Maya” or the illusion of his unconscious existence. I know much of the information and learning that I’ve acquired will not be readily accepted by everyone and so I don’t try to impose my views on anyone. I know that when the time is right, spirit will move and that individual will awaken. I liken this to the statement made by Morpheus where he says “We never free a mind until it’s ready.”
I see you like to use a lot of adages or analogies from movies to help demonstrate your point. Why is that?
Again, I believe that there is a great deal of truth in what we consider fiction. I function in a world where everything is possible and there are no limitations. Essentially, this means that whatever the mind can conceive that on some level, there’s some truth to it. In fact, considering there are countless realities and dimensions happening all around us, who’s to say that once something is thought up that it doesn’t exist within some reality. Oftentimes movies have a way of conveying certain truths through what we consider science fiction or fantasy but because we have closed ourselves off to fantasy, we limit our possibilities. Many of the things we’re experiencing in these modern times were at some point considered fantasy or science fiction. Just a hundred years ago, the internet or the cell phone or even space travel was all considered fantasy but today they’re a reality. In 1949 Orson Wells published the book “1984” where he postulated about a world where Big Brother was able to watch everything through the use of high-tech cameras and so forth. Back then this seemed as though it were science fiction but here today some 60 years later it has become a reality. Everything comes from the mind of God and we are the dynamic processes of thought being carried out in physical form. Who’s to say that what we see in movies such as the Matrix, or Star Wars won’t be a reality tomorrow.
Do you think by knowing what you know that you have a greater responsibility to help others reach that level of awareness?
Many of us have no idea the amount of responsibility that goes along with becoming a conscious being. Once you become aware, you can no longer rest upon the comforts of ignorance. Sometimes we feel that it’s better to not know than it is to know because then we have to be accountable for our actions. Well, this is the case with being spiritually responsible. This means that we can no longer blame our situation on the government, the Man, or any other external forces because in truth, we create our own realities by becoming aware of who and what we really are. By discovering the truth of your being and how you create the world exactly as you say it is, you then become mindful of the thoughts and ideals that you harbor because you know that you create your own reality. In addition to this, you come to understand how there is no separation and that all beings are connected. This means that your actions, including your thoughts have a tremendous impact on the global consciousness at large. Therefore, you posses a tremendous amount of power and with great power comes great responsibility.
![]() In the chapter on “I AM,” you discuss how we are co-creators of our lives. Are you suggesting that we create our own lives?
Yes. In fact, this falls in line with what I just mentioned. This phrase was the response the biblical Moses received upon asking God what it was. God replied by saying “I am that I am.” This means that the Divine is simply whatever it decides to become. It seeks expression in the form of everything as it is all things simultaneously. Being that you and I are similar in our divine nature, we too are able to become that in which we say. Anytime, we profess anything by saying “I am,” we are essentially creating from that awareness. Words are powerful especially when they are preceded by an energized thought vibration. Words themselves add tone to our thoughts and creation comes into being through this very same process. You are created in the image and likeness of the divine; therefore you too are a creative being and you are what you are because you say so.
You seem to have a fairly good understanding about God; can you tell us what God actually is?
It would take volumes for me to expound on this question as God is far too complex to ever try to understand or summarize in the context of this discussion. This is a question that each of us must answer for ourselves. My understanding of God as a metaphysician is strictly based on the laws of the Universe. I hold God to be the orchestrator of all things having an aspect of Itself in all experiences for the edification of all things. Today my concept of God is wide ranging dealing in science, faith and experience. Therefore, God is the intelligence and the wisdom behind all occurrences. It is the energy and the source of which manifest for the sole purpose of my learning. It is pure love resonating on the highest octave. It is everywhere present and therefore, there is nowhere that It is not. This means that God is in all things whether I consider them to be good or bad based upon my perception or judgment. The short of it is, God is many things to many people and it is imperative for each individual to find their own interpretation of what they hold God to be.
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I like the way you use “The Force” from Star Wars as an example of letting people know how to draw strength from the god within. How did you come to make this correlation?
Well, in reality, The Force as depicted in the movie Stars is nothing more than the god within as you would say. It’s that aspect of your being that is connected to all wisdom and all knowing. As such, it has the ability to always lead us aright. The interesting parallel that George Lucas uses in the movie is that in order to become a Jedi, one must have the ability to utilize this inner knowing. While there are certain people who are actually able to see images with their inner eye while being completely blind, we all have this capability if we’re willing to accept it. The Force then, is that aspect of oneself that compels you to move or act in a certain manner because It understands your destiny. It exists in a reality where there is no time or space and everything is happening simultaneously. Through its birds-eye view of your spiritual horizon, it gently guides you in the direction that is suitable for your highest good. Even though it’s referred to as The Force, it never forces you, it only urges. It is the god force within you.
What would you say to those people that are comfortable with the way life is and don’t feel as if they need to change their awareness?
I would point out how being aware is a very courageous thing because many of us enjoy the luxury of not knowing and being comfortably numb. If we don’t know something, then we can’t be held accountable for not knowing. We hear things like “Ignorance is bliss,” or “I’m better off not knowing,” or “What you don’t know wont hurt you,” when in reality not knowing is actually doing you more harm than good. By choosing to take the red pill, we have decided to see just how far down the rabbit hole really goes. We have courageously decided to wake up to the reality of what’s really happening rather than accepting a holographic image of what the powers that be would have us believe. Since coming into this awareness, my existence has taken on a more understanding approach of everything that occurs in my life. I know that behind everything there’s a certain wisdom involved. This helps me to eliminate judgments and to accept everything exactly as it is and if I can change it, then I do. If not, then I accept it for what it is. So to become aware is to actually start taking responsibility by being able to see things for what they truly are and not some fabrication. This means that fear-ridden belief systems and institutional thought patterns no longer serve the same purpose as they once did. Through awareness, we are able to discern and understand the ways in which God communicates with each and every one of us. This requires a great deal of courage for anyone to do because letting go of what is comfortable can be a very frightening thing to embrace. It seems safer to hold on to what we know than to let go of it for the unknown. At some point, we must all become aware and embrace the truth of our existence.
Would you say this is what they mean when they say we have to be more like Jesus?
In a sense yes; we hear it said all the time that we need to become more “Christ Like.” Although the jury is still out for me on whether or not Jesus actually walked the face of the Earth, I can utilize the teachings ascribed to him to make this point. Jesus always spoke of us as being “The temple of the living God.” He intended for us to know that everything we could ever possibly want or desire is already inside of us. He was aware of this because he stated that He and his father are one. According to this teaching, we too are one with the divine and therefore, we must strive to have this mind frame. By becoming “Crystallized” into one with God, we become like Jesus where all things are possible. In reality, we are crystalline beings. We are Carbon based gems of expression and we are one with the All.
Would you say that human beings are becoming more spiritual in recent times?
To some degree yes; although in the Hindu culture they speak of a form of consciousness that is so low that we are actually in a waking sleep state. They call this state “Taijasa” or the Paradoxical sleep. Many of us are groping through life very unaware of our surroundings. We are the walking dead sot-to-speak. We think we are living but in reality we’re simply surviving. Our lives have become desensitized and mechanical and we’re only concerned with the basic functions of existence without realizing that 90% of the world is beyond the physical. Death is a state of unconsciousness where a person is no longer aware of themselves or their surroundings. This is the state that many of us are in today. We’re like zombies trying to find our way through the dark with arms stretched out in front of us as our guide. Whenever you don’t notice the panoramic view that exist all around you including all the subtle nuances like the whispering wind, or the scent from a flower, then your consciously sleep walking. For some of us, the energy that we emit is barely detectable. We don’t even show up on the sonar. Many races of higher beings have labeled the human race as being “dead” because as energetic beings the energy we emit is so low, we barely show up as a blip on the grid.
Do you think there is a difference between men and women and their relationship with God?
Well, in terms of our spiritual nature, the feminine aspect has always been more connected to the god within. When we look at our make-up we know that we are both masculine and feminine energies working together in a cohesive system of homeostasis. The masculine is driven by the left aspect of the brain which is very aggressive, outgoing and analytical while the feminine caters to the right which is more passive, gentle and intuitive by nature. In society, we have become very technically inclined drawing us away from our intuitive spiritual side. The Sacred Feminine is that aspect of ourselves that is connected to the divine. It governs by love rather than acting upon the ego which is generally male in nature. Once we are able to function from that place within which is our female nature, we will slowly gravitate to a state of being rather than doing. This is the true nature of a human “Be”-ing.
Which aspect of the human being do you think is more spiritual, the male or the female?
As I mentioned before, the Male energy is aggressive, outgoing and is constantly in a state of action. The male aspect is constantly striving. It’s the analytical and reasoning part of our make-up. It’s very valuable to us especially in a society that requires us to strive for things. Our masculine nature is a very necessary component to being human. Unfortunately, many of us have become strictly left brained only functioning from a place of outward expression without taking the time to connect with the inner-feminine. This has caused an imbalance in the way we live. As spiritual beings, we have dual aspects of ourselves. One allows us to exert ourselves while the other connects us to our divine selves. One without the other creates disharmony and we become either too passive or too aggressive. We need equilibrium from both the male and the female aspect if we are to live a balanced and harmonious life.
Further along in the book you talk about the Astral Plane. Would this be considered heaven?
The Astral plane
exists on a higher dimensional tone than our 3D world. It consist of a
finite type of energy we call ether. Many religious texts refer to it as
a heavenly realm. In terms of dimensionality, there are several planes of
existence. Many people who understand this believe there are actually 12
dimensions each consisting of 12 overtones or octaves. This means there
are actually 144 planes on which to exist. Obviously these planes are
non-physical as the energy is very fine and subtle. The astral plane is a
place where beings exist much like we have here in our world. They can
either be positive in nature or negative depending upon their intentions.
In most cases, the beings that exist in this realm are in a transitional
state. They have either stayed in that energy pattern to work through
other energy streams or they are bound there by karmic influences until they
can work through their karmic patterns. Nevertheless, there is a whole
level of awareness on this plane and it can easily be accessed through
meditation. Do you favor any one particular religion over another?
I realize based on my own experience that truth can exist in all forms. This means that many of the world religions speak of a certain truth if you’re able to discern and understand the allegory and the esoteric meaning behind scriptures. Unfortunately, many of the religious text have been altered or manipulated for purposes I won’t go into here. Suffice it to say, the truth can be found in practically all of the belief systems that we study today. Spirit is constantly speaking to us, providing us with guidance and revelations that will assists us on our earthly journey. Divine Intelligence didn’t convey one message and then stop uttering truth. Truth continues to be whispered into the hearts and minds of many teachers including you and I. Sometimes, these truths are altered and manipulated into doctrine and then foisted upon those of us that have not yet learned to honor the same source from whence these truths came. Needless to say, what was once meant to be inspiration has now become a divisive form of control and manipulation by certain groups of people.
You close the book out by talking about the Doomsday prophesies of the Mayans. Can you elaborate a bit on who the Mayans were?
The Maya were a
very interesting group of highly advanced people. To this very day, we
still can’t figure out how they were so advanced at such an ancient time when
there was no technology such as telescopes. Somehow, they were able to
read the stars and develop the most intricate calendar ever discovered.
Right up to this moment, predictions made by the Mayans are only 1000th of a second
off. They have predicted global situations based on a cyclical system
rather than one based on linear time. This means that everything happens
according to cycles that have continued to repeat themselves since the
beginning of time as we know it. Based on their ideology, they were able
to make some of the most astonishing predictions including the 2012 end of days
scenario. The Mayan civilization was among several others to include the
Hopis and the Dogons that were able to make startling revelations based on
astrology. It is believed that their learning came from an extraterrestrial race of beings that had full knowledge of the cosmos. In any event, the Mayans were a highly advanced civilization with superior abilities for predicting the future.
Thank you for spending this time with us today. Tell us what can we expect from you next?
Well, Book II of the Truth series titled; Universal Truth: Thinking outside the Box is now available in book stores. I’m also working on a third book, 100 Disciplines to Higher Consciousness: A Conclusive Synopsis on Spiritual Principles of which I’m actually in the process of seeking a traditional publisher and agent that can help me get this work into mainstream society. I founded a spiritual counseling practice called TRUTH Dynamics where I work as a Life Coach assisting people on their spiritual journey to self mastery and discovery. I also facilitate a local workshop based on the Master Key System which pertains to the Law of Attraction and I’m in the process of working on establishing a global webinar where people can take the course online. I continue to lecture and teach at several of the treatment centers here in Los Angeles on substance abuse and I’m acting co-founder of the P.E.L.S.A. Corporation which assists people on their journey to recovery.
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